Mt-DNA K1a4a1b2 Haplogroup Project

WELCOME to the MT-DNA Haplogroup K1a4a1b2 Project

The above diagram represents one’s Pedigree:

The whole diagram represents your Whole Family line

The Blue men represent your Paternal (Father’s) line- Your Y-DNA if you are a male.

The Pink Ladies represent you Maternal (mother’s) line- Your Mt-DNA if you are a male OR female

You inherited your Mt-DNA from your mother who got it from her mother and so forth backwards in time

This Site is about tracing you Maternal ancestors

If you are a male, OR, female and you have MT-DNA Haplogroup K1a4a1b2 you are invited and encouraged to join our project K1a4a1b2 Project. We would love to have you!

To Join our Project Click HERE

About Haplogroup K1a4a1b2

To give the reader some anthropological-migrational background history of our K1a4a1 haplogroup over the past 180,000 years I offer the following information which came from my 23 and Me Personal Page.

Please note our haplogroup has now have been advanced by FTDNA Build 17 on the Phylogenetic Tree from K1a4a1 to K1a4a1b2 which brings our haplogroup historically closer in time to present. It also means that our match-pool has become more refined making it somewhat easier to find genetically closer connections between our matches.

Please Click HERE  https://micsxchromosome.micbarnette.com/748-2/

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For more information about MT-DNA testing visit the help page of FTDNA at     https://learn.familytreedna.com/user-guide/mtdna-myftdna/mt-results-page/

Learn About Mitochondrial DNA

Roberta Estes, in her blog DNA-Explained.com , has done a fantastic job explaining all things Mt-DNA in her series of five blogs listed below. I highly suggest you may wish to subscribe to her Blog. I am always learning from her.

Below is a link to those Blogs.

Distance Back to Common Ancestor

Genetic Distance

AND….. as you delve into both your Mt-DNA  as well as your paternal surname’s  Y-DNA research you will encounter a very important term, Genetic Distance.

Roberta, in her down to earth explanations covered that topic, too, in another of her blogs.

You can read that blog here……https://dna-explained.com/2016/06/29/concepts-genetic-distance/

AND…while we are on an educational roll here is a blog to give suggestions to help with your Family Finder Matches at FTDNA   

Project Member Origin Maps

This link will take you to a page showing several maps indicating where Project Members in Tribes Alpha and Tribe Beta Live Click Here

Trees……….We Need TREES!

Ever see you have a new match on your match list?

The first thing you do is try to find the Tree of the person you match. What if they don’t have one? Usually you blow them off and keep going.

What if that person’s ancestor is just the one that will solve your Brick Wall?

The real thing you “ought” to do is contact the match and ask if they have a tree somewhere.

Often they do have one at Ancestry or maybe Family Search or even somewhere else. But, if it is not where you are looking it won’t help.

So, think about someone else that sees YOU in their match list.

If you don’t have a tree right where they are looking it is likely they may not contact you to find out you actually do have a tree, but, it is somewhere else.

So,….why not place a tree on your FTDNA page, especially if you have taken a Mt-DNA test. It is going to be a long shot for someone to recognize your many surnames if they see none. With a tree on your FTDNA page, they can follow backward on your maternal line. If you are lucky something might strike a familiar ring.

If you have the K1a4a1b2 Haplogroup, and join our project, which I hope you do.

Your tree will be ultimately essential. Hopefully you will allow me to post it on our Project website so others can see it. (We do not list live people- we’re interested in the dead ones). Often, when you provide your maternal line as far back as you know, I will take it and try to see if I can extend the lineage even further.

In a couple cases in our Project, I have been able to extend members’ lines back a couple generations and in others I was stuck where the member was.

In fact, in a couple cases, we have been able to place two or more members lineages back to their common ancestors.

There Are Two Ways To Load A Tree

There are two ways to load a tree to your Personal Page at FTDNA. The first is via a GEDCOM file you may have on your computer or on a website such as Ancestry or MyHeritage. The second is, you can build a tree manually. In either case FTDNA has instructions on your personal page on how to do either. If you further help, please contact MIC.

The Story behind the origins of this Project

At this point I thought it could be informative to members of our Project to know the “why” I got involved enough in Mt-DNA to start a Project.

Our Haplogroup K1a4a1b2 Project website began as an effort to discover my own personal MTDNA lineage. At the time I had my ancestry back to Nancy Cobb born 1836 who was my 6th  ?  generation back brick wall ancestor.

You can read that post. It is on this website. You can also use the direct link below. However, please be advised it was written some time ago and needs some updating. I have plans to do that revision when I get a Round To-It which I have been having a difficult time doing.

Mic’s Mt-DNA

AND…. after creating our K1a4a1b2 Project I went on to create another Project for the T2b5a Haplogroup which is the Haplogroup of my father’s maternal line. That site is also on this website.

The Science and Background of How our Project is Organized

The Science of Mt-DNA

As you read Roberta Estes’ blogs on Mt-DNA you read certain things that will stand out as important.

  1. Each letter and number of the Haplogroup Classification represent a place on the Haplotree and that place represents a period of time and place as our maternal ancestors came out of Africa and ended up in Europe.

You also saw that from the link above where I took you to the K1a4a1 migratory description that I found on my personal page at 23 and Me.

  1. Next I’ll take you to the subgrouping page on the FTDNA website where your will see a number of things in each project member’s profile.
    1. The project members last name (but not first name)
    2. The project members’ earliest known maternal ancestor which was personally reported by the member
    3. You will see project members are grouped by haplogroup with their matches.
    4. Then, project members are grouped with like matches by haplogroup and then by geographical regions of the world
    5. You will see Mitochondrial DNA members are grouped by mutations they each share mutually.
    6. And lastly, you can see the mutations each member has for HVR-1 and HVR-2.
    7. In our Project we do not show the names of people project members match at HVR-1 and HVR-2 who have not upgraded their kits to FMS. The reason for that is when the person actually does upgrade they may not match the project member at the FMS/coding area. And, if they did, one would not know the Genetic Distance between the two until the results were posted.
    8. Mutations in the Regional Coding area of the Mt-DNA are not publicized for privacy reasons.
    9. You can, however, your own mutations at RSRS  and/or CRS levels on your personal page. This is explained on the FTDNA Project Results Page..
    10. The CRS is the acronym for the Cambridge Reference Sequence which was the original nomenclature and the rCRS acronym for the newer Revised Cambridge Sequence. FTDNA uses the rCRS in it’s comparison of Mt-DNA. This statement appears on the FTDNA page “Understanding mt-DNA Results”

With all the above said, you should visit below link to the Genetic Distance Chart on the FTDNA Results Page on the FTDNA website:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/K1a4a1b2VA-NewEngland-Europe?iframe=mtresults  .

What Are Tribes?

The word “Tribes” in our project means nothing. The concept of using the word “Tribes” offers a method to differentiate project members who match one another with ones they do not. I had to somehow “group” them. I could have numbered the groups as A, B. C. D or 1,2,3, 4 or I, II, III, IV, etc.

Instead, I chose to use the Greek Alphabet as a sequencing tool.

The project members in Tribe Alpha and Tribe Beta have the exact same Haplogroup and for the most part match one another. Those not matching others in Tribes Alpha and Beta are usually due to having too high a Genetic Distance.

Others who joined the project having a Haplogroup located in another location on the Phylogenetic Tree will not match those of Tribe Alpha and Beta and are grouped under another Tribe with anyone in the project matching them.

If a person joining the project has a Haplogroup other than K, such as I, J, H or L an English equivalent to the Greek letter close to that Haplogroup was chosen as it’s tribal name.

In cases where there may have been more than one person joining the project with the same Haplogroup letter, that Tribe would have an Arabic numeral next to it differentiating it from the first. Because haplogroups look so similar I have made notations indicating where the difference in nomenclature occurs.

In most cases those joining the project have Haplogroup K but their exact haplogroup is located elsewhere on the Phylogenic Tree and do not match those in Tribe Alpha or Tribe Beta. In those cases, their Tribal designation would be Kappa 1, Kappa, 2, Kappa 3 and so forth.

Tribes Alpha and Beta are all Haplogroup K1a4a1b2 .

All members of Tribe Alpha match all other members of Tribe Alpha. And, all members of Tribe Beta match all other members of Tribe Beta.

However, there are some project members in Tribe Alpha as well as Tribe Beta who do not match members of the opposite Tribe. This usually can be visualized when comparing Genetic Distance between the two people.

For the above reason, I divided the two groups into two Tribes: Tribe Alpha and Tribe Beta.

The Chart of the total matches and Genetic Distance of Project Members’ Matches

As I worked more with genetic distance results between project members I noticed patterns and created a chart to show what I discovered. I have never seen or heard anyone else mention this pattern. Most people and projects are not dealing with such a small select group as ours. They usually deal with more root haplogroups not as refined as ours.

The next phase of learning the science of mt-DNA is learning how many matches each project member has and the number of matches at each Genetic Distance 0, 1, 2, 3.

Notice each matching Tribe member has a similar number of matches.

When comparing one tribal member with another, they usually share the exact total number of matches which just happen to also be the exact same matches and often those matches are at the same exact genetic distance level.

There is a Chart for that! (Click Here for Chart):

             1) the total number of matches each project member had

             2) The number of matches at each Genetic Distance for each of the Genetic Distances 0, 1, 2, 3 

             3) Notice each the numbers in each Tribe are for the most part the same. This is another indicator of the closeness in relationship of why I partnered matches in the various tribes.

              4) Because of the closeness between matches in the various Tribes, those matches will be one’s best choice for finding a common close ancestor.

Finding Common Maternal Ancestors Using Pedigrees

Below you will find a list of Project members grouped by their Tribes to show which project members are related to whom.

In addition, for each project member I am trying to show the genealogical pedigree of that member’s ancestors.

If the person has given me a pedigree or I have researched it you can click on the member name hyperlink and view the lineage. In some cases I have also included notes about that project member’s ancestry.

Unfortunately, not all matches have joined the project.

Also, if I have no lineage for a person their name is not hyperlinked.

If you are reading this page and match any of our project members or belong to our haplogroup, please join. 

NOTE: Click on the Member Name Below-It is hyperlinked to that person’s pedigree if they have one

Tribe Alpha- K1a4a1b2 Europe-Scandinavia 

Westlund  Brita Nilsdotter b 1619 Dalarna Sweden

Rysa        Maria Simonsdotter b 1774 Kymmene Kota, Finland

Malmnas    Marit Tidichsdotter b 1494 d 1560 Stimmerbo Norrbarke Dalma Sweden

Tribe Alpha K1a4a1b2 New England-MA-RI-NY

Engstrom                               Margaret Downing Sulevan 1639-1693 Lynn Essex Co, MA

This line has been taken back to the 1650’s in Masschusetts. It is the furthest back lineage of all US Tribe Alpha and Beta matches. Theoretically, each of the other New England matches may find a connection to this lineage.

Remmen                                Gertrude Ferguson 1903-1982

This line has been extended back to the 1750’s Rhode Island

This line has been connected to the Husk pedigree

Lucy Goff 1783-1849 is a sister of Abigail Goff 1776-1836

Husk                                       Amanda Fassett Dickinson Died 1891

This line has been extended to the 1750’s Rhode Island

This line has been connected to the Remmen Pedigree

Abigail Goff 1776-1836 is a sister of Lucy Goff 1783-1849

Rogers                                    Mary Carr 1825-1885

Mary Carr was a daughter of Weaver Carr and Elizabeth Bennett of Coventry, Kent County, Rhode Island. While researching the Steelman pedigree, a son of Patty Wait married a Bennett whose ancestry went back to Coventry, Kent County, RI.  Click here for more information on this Bennett line.

Tribe Alpha- K1a4a1b2- Southern US VA-NC-SC-GA

Each of the following show Keziah Willis as an ancestor actually descend from Keziah’s ancestor, Susannah Miller who was the daughter of James A Miller and his first wife who would have died prior to 1786 in Virginia or Orange/Caswell Co, NC and whose name we seek.

James A Miller (1723-1823) married 2nd Leannah Horton b 1760 Orange/Caswell Co, NC. Leannah Horton’s descendants have a J-Haplogroup

Project member Bailey is a descendant of Leannah Horton and “kind of” belongs with Tribe Alpha. See Tribe J-Iota Below

Currently there is no Miller surnamed member of the Miller Y-DNA Project claiming descendancy from James A Miller. If you know of someone, please have them contact Mic. Inclusion of that descendant in the Miller Y-DNA project would be of importance to us in our Project. At this time we have no idea who James A Miller’s first wife was or anything about her. We just know we are matching others in this project whose ancestry goes back to New England.

Barnette                                 Sister of Keziah Willis died ca 1840 GA

Weir                                        Keziah Willis b 1808 Hancock Co, GA

Meador                                   Keziah Willis b 1808 Hancock Co, GA

Small                                      Keziah Willis b 1808 Hancock Co, GA

Drinkwater                            Susannah Miller 1760 Orange/Caswell Co, NC

Farthing                                 Wife of James York Sr

Tribe Beta K1a4a1b2= New England

Steelman                                Patty Wait 1761-1848

Patty Wait’s husband, Oliver Lawrence, was a Revolutionary Soldier and received a pension for his service. His pension recites a timeline for his life, including, much of his married life which involves Patty, his wife.

One of their sons married a woman whose maiden name was Bennett and whose ancestry can be traced back to Coventry, Kent County, Rhode Island.

While this may or may not be significant in the life of Patty Waite, it does show a potential familial and origins connection with other of our MTDNA matches, specifically our Rogers match whose ancestor was Elizabeth Bennett who married Weaver Carr and lived in Coventry, Kent County, RI .

Click here for information on the Bennett Family connected with the Rogers Lineage.

Nelson             Elizabeth Unknown 1654-748

This project member’s farthest back maternal ancestress was Elizabeth, who married Henry Head (ca 1647 to 1716) 1677 in Little Compton, Kent County, Rhode Island.

Hopefully, we will soon discover some connections with this family and with others in Rhode Island. In fact, in the male line of one of this member’s family I found a connection to the Carr family of two other member pedigrees.

 Surnames in this project member’s maternal tree include: Head, Cuthbert, Carr, Case, Burleson, Jaques/Jackaway,  Recard, Porter and Nelson.

Tribe Beta K1a4a1b2 United Kingdom

McC (Great Britain)  Anne Brett 1745 of Catheringtonton, Hampshire, England

Evans   ancestor-Mary Margaret Gordon born 1866 Antrim, Northern Ireland

Those listed below have joined our Project but have different precise haplogroups from those above who have K1a4a1b2 and do not match those above at all.

At this time each of those listed below, while they have matches, those matches have not joined our project.

Tribe Kappa 1    -British Isles-K1a3a2

The difference in this group is:

The Project Haplogroup is K1a-   4a1b2

While Tribe Kappa 1 has Haplogroup K1a-3a2

Very similar, but not the same and different on the Phylogenic Tree

So, the two tribes do not match one another If others matching this Tribe joined our project, I would group them together

Nicholson/Kalina

Currently this person has 3 FMS matches, none of whom match any one else in this project.

Tribe Kappa 2      K1a4a1a2b – France

The difference in this group is:

The Project Haplogroup is K1a4a1-    b2

While Tribe Kappa 2 has Haplogroup K1a4a1-   a2b

Very similar, but not the same and different on the Phylogenic Tree

So, the two tribes do not match one another If others matching this Tribe joined our project, I would group them together

Briggs       Therese Eulalie Bernard

This project member has 93 FMS Matches, none of whom are in this project

Tribe Kappa 3   K1a4a1a2 Europe-Scandinavia

The difference in this group is:

The Project Haplogroup is K1a4a1-B-2

While Tribe Kappa 3 has Haplogroup K1a4a1-A-2

Very similar, but not the same and different on the Phylogenic Tree

So, the two tribes do not match one another

If others matching this Tribe joined our project, I would group them together

Roos Persson     We have no lineage for this project member

McKay   She is mother of Jones-She has taken FMS

Jones   Son of McKay- He is Haplogroup K in HVR1 Test. Likely he would test at the K1a4a1a2 Haplogroup if he were to upgrade

These project members have 22 FMS Matches but these are the only ones of their Haplogroup in our Project

Tribe Kappa 4   K1a4  US

The difference in this group is:

The Project Haplogroup is K1a4  -a1B2

While Tribe Kappa 4 has Haplogroup K1a4

Very similar, but not the same and different on the Phylogenic Tree

So, the two tribes do not match one another

If others matching this Tribe joined our project, I would group them together

Shirley   US   This person has no Tree or Ancestors listed

Tribe Kappa 5     –K1a4a1

The difference in this group is:

The Project Haplogroup is K1a4a1-b2

While Tribe Kappa 5 has Haplogroup K1a4a1-

Very similar, but not the same and different on the Phylogenic Tree

So, the two tribes do not match one another If others matching this Tribe joined our project, I would group them together

Levesque

There are 147 FMS matches with 39 0 Genetic Distance matches, 27 1-GD, 28 2 GD and 53 3 GD matches. No one in this Tribe matches anyone else in any of the other tribes in our Project.

Ghazi-

Tribe Kappa 6   -K1a4f

The difference in this group is:

The Project Haplogroup is K1a4-a1b2

While Tribe Kappa 6 has Haplogroup K1a4-f

Very similar, but not the same and different on the Phylogenic Tree

So, the two tribes do not match one another If others matching this Tribe joined our project, I would group them together

Hayatghey

This member has no FMS, or HVR2 matches but there are 4132 HVR-1 matches

Tribe Kappa 7   – K1a4a1a – T195c!

The difference in this group is:

The Project Haplogroup is K1a4a1b-2

While Tribe Kappa 7 has Haplogroup K1a4a1-      a-Tau195c!

Very similar, but not the same and different on the Phylogenic Tree

So, the two tribes do not match one another If others matching this Tribe joined our project, I would group them together

Amesbury

Currently there is only one member of this tribe in our project. This person matches members of Tribe Alpha and Beta at the HVR-1 and HVR2 level, plans to upgrade to FMS but has not yet done so.

This person is currently matching others who have already upgraded to FMS and it appears they will likely be exact matches to each other due to the -TauT195c post-nomial. However, none of those people match anyone else in our Project. Therefore, it is unlikely this person when they upgrade will match anyone in Tribe Alpha or Tribe Beta.

Tribe Kappa 8     -New England-K1a4a1b

The difference in this group is:

The Project Haplogroup is K1a4a1b-2

While Tribe Kappa 8 has Haplogroup K1a4a1b- (stops here)

Very similar, but not the same and different on the Phylogenic Tree

So, the two tribes do not match one another If others matching this Tribe joined our project, I would group them together

Brown     Jane (Last Name Unknown) Born 1590  Waltham, Parva, Essex, England  She died 1667 Portsmouth Rockingham Co, New Hampshire

This project member has 28 matches none of whom are in this project

Tribe Iota 1 Jic1a Southern United States

Bailey – Descended from James A Miller 1723-1823 and Leannah Horton

While related to Tribe Alpha Southern States this member does not match Mitochondrially

Tribe Eta-1 Hr1 France

Coquard

This member does not match any of the K Haplogroups

Tribe Lambda 1- L3f1b3

Pickett

The L3f1b3 haplogroup does not match any of the K Haplogroups in this project.