T2b5a Mt-DNA Haplogroup Project

WELCOME to the T2b5a MT-DNA Haplogroup Project

Mt-DNA is inherited by males and females from their mother,
Their mother inherited it from their mother who inherited it from her mother,who inherited it from her mother, who inherited it from her mother, etc backwards in time

If you are a male, OR, female and have MT-DNA Haplogroup T2b5a you are invited and encouraged to join our Mt-DNA Haplotype T2b5a Project.

Click the blue hyperlink to see the migration history of the T2b5 Haplogroup and the story of how we got here:

The migration history of Haplogroup t2b5

As updates to this site are added links to those pages will be inserted below this line. Beause this site is so new there are none at this time

About Matches and Tribes of the T2b5a Project Tribes.

We have grouped all project members into Tribes based on how close they match others in the Project. Click on the Tribes link below to learn more about what we are doing in that aspect.

TRIBES

As lineages of Project members are added to this Project links to those pages will be inserted below.

Click Here To Begin

Tribe Alpha

Browning

Neve

Dowd

Tribe Beta

Nave

Tribe Gamma

White

For more information about MT-DNA testing visit the help page of FTDNA at     https://learn.familytreedna.com/user-guide/mtdna-myftdna/mt-results-page/

To “join” our project, this link will tell you how…..https://learn.familytreedna.com/user-guide/projects/projects-join-page/

There is more information on the above link, but, basically, this is how you do it:

If you have already tested with Family Tree DNA and wish to join a project:

  1. Sign in to your my FTDNA account.
  2. Select Join from the Projects menu on the menu bar.
  3. Browse and search projects to join
  4. Look for the T2b5a mt-dna Hap;ogroup Project and click on join
  5. FTDNA has several questions they ask.
  6. First, you have to opt-in to sharing your results with both the administrator (me) and the public. If I do not have your permission I will not be able to first, see your data to be able to help you. And second, without your permission I will not be able to place you into any groups we may create in the project on the FTDNA webbsite. Also, for your information, as an administrator, I can not change any of your personal information. Only you can do that.
  7. A new FTDNA persmissional item is you can opt-in or choose not to participate in searches by law enforcement. I think there is a link near that question explaining FTDNA’s stance on sharing with law enforcement. Basically, a case has to be a very cold case and the law enforcement entity must certify they have followed every other lead and done everything they can to solve the case without dna. Then, they have to have a warrant from a judge to search. When they do search FTDNA lets the into the database of those who have opted-in for only a few minutes to get the best possible genetic leads. Then they are locked out. Hopefully, you have been watching CeCe Moores’s Genetic Detective series on television to get an idea how this type dna search works. From what I understand Gedmatch is the law enforcement Go-To website rather than FTDNA. FTDNA allows law enforcement in but their criteria for doing so is more strengent and their database much smaller than Gedmatch.
  8. While you are in the Project Management area of your FTDNA Personal Page please check the Genealogy link. Be sure you have your earliest known Male ancestor listed as well as your earliest known Female ancestor. The earliest known female is your earliest known Mt-DNA ancestor which helps us in our Mt-DNA projects.
  9. Also, while in the Genealogy part, please list all your Surnames and where they lived. This information is used by others looking for matches. This is where the names on the right side of your matches page show.
  10. Also, be sure you have a FAMILY TREE. You can build one manually or you can upload a GEDCOM from another website or a genealogy program you may have on your own computer. Also, when you have a tree on your FTDNA personal page you can “link” your dna matches to your tree and your page will separate your matches on your match page by maternal or paternal matches.

Roberta Estes, in her blog DNA-Explained.com , has published a series of five blogs explaining Mt_DNA. I highly suggest you may wish to subscibe to her Blog. I am always learning from her.

Below is a link to those Blogs.

AND….. as you delve into your Mt-DNA  and Your surname’s  Y-DNA research you will encounter a very important term, Genetic Distance. Roberta, in her  down to earth explainations, covered that topic, too, in another of her blogs. You can read that blog here……https://dna-explained.com/2016/06/29/concepts-genetic-distance/

     

Here are some suggestions for getting more out of your Family Finder Matches

To Continue….

You might wish to read about my original Mt-DNA experience on a different page of this webste at http://micsxchromosome.micbarnette.com/mics-mt-dna/

Basically, I started researching my own Mt-DNA K1a4a1a2a haplogroup which is what I inherited from my mother. The Mt-DNA Haplogroup K1a4a1a2a Project website began as an effort to discover my own personal MTDNA lineage.

Later my quest was broadened to include each of my personal matches which is when I applied for and Family Tree DNA allowed me to create the project for all having the K1a4a1a2a Haplogroup and now the T2b5a haplogroup.

As I began working with my own Mt-DNA I thought about it and decided my father had inherited his Mt-DNA of his mother. However, there was a problem. My father died in 1991 and was the last of his immediate family.

Then I thought further. My father had a sister, and she too, had passed away. But….my father’s sister had a daughter, my first cousin, and she is still living, and guess what, she inherited her Mt-DNA for her mother and that dna would be identitical to my Dad. And, guess what else…that is the DNA of my paternal grandmother.

So, I was on a roll, maybe even going overboard. I was trying to think of what other relatives I might have who might be carrying the Mt-DNA of my various relatives.

As I thought about it, I remembered I had a distant cousin I met through Ancestry. I had corresponded and met this lady’s mother back in the 1980’s. The mother was a granddaughter of my Great Great Grandmother, Louisa Marshall who was the wife of my Barnett Civil War Ancestor, William Calloway Barnett. After Willam’s death in 1862 Louisa married a second time to Benjamin Welch. My newly found cousin, therefore, was a direct mt-dna descendant of Louisa Marshall Barnett-Welch.

So, like I said, I was on a mt-dna kick. Over a period of time I talked both my first cousin and the cousin descended from Louisa Marshall tested. And to my total surprise, guess what?……Both these ladies are totally exact T2a5a matches with 0 Genetic Distance. That means my paternal great great grandmother AND my paternal grandmother are related. My grandfather and my grandmother, husband and wife were related. I am my own cousin!

A word about the arrangement of this project…I don’t know…..

The T2b5a project is much larger than the K1a4a1ab. The latter project has about 30 FMS Genetic matches. My two cousins match one another totally exact and each has a total of 2540 matches including matches that have taken the HVR1 and HVR2 test along with the Full Mitochondral Sequenceing test. The first two categories, HVR1 and HVR2 are not refined enough to be able to work with in a historical and genealogical context. So, we hope those people will upgrade their tests to FMS otherwise we will be spinning our wheels trying to make connections that are more difficult to work with.

So, my two cousins each have a total of 163 (down from 2540) people they match on the FMS test. They have:

52 matches at 0 Gentic Distance

46 matches at 1 Genetic Distance

52 matches at 2 Genetic Distance

13 matches at 3 Genetic Distance

Note: As an update on September 7, 2020 : The two cousins had a total of 1) 2543 total HVR-1 Matches meaning they had picked up an additions 3 matches at that level. In some cases the match may have only taken a HVR1 test. In the majority of the cases, however, assuming they had taken a higher rsolution test, the overall majority of them no longer matched at all possibly meaning the match was so far back in time it was of no relevance.

2) 91 total matches in the HVR-1 and HVR-2 level. I have not worked with these matches to see what is going on, but, the majority of them are included in the HVR-1, HVR-2 and Coding Region category. As I said, I have not tried to anaylze this category, so, if most of the matches at HVR-1/HVR-2 are 91 and there are 164 in the complete HVR-1/HVR-2/Coding Region level, I do not know where the additional matches come from.

3) 164 total matches in the HVR-1/HVR-2/Coding Region. This is the category that matters the most. Of these 164 matches, the next breakdown level is the Genetic Distance (Genetic Distance 0, 1, 2, 3). The smaller the Genetic Distance value, the closer related two matches are to one another.

I have created a chart showing all project members and grouped them with their closest Genetic Distance Matches. This chart is located on another page of this project website at http://micsxchromosome.micbarnette.com/tribes/ (This is end of the September 7, 2020 update)

After working with the K1a4a1a2 project I was able to tell I could break the project into different groups by where the ancestors lived, I eventually named those groups “Tribes”. One tribe had ancestry in the South, one on New England and one in Europe and Scandianvia. Theroretically, they all are related. The Geetic Distance will help us, somewhat, with the time frames, but there is no defintition or peramiter to tell us a “year” time frame for the various Genetic Distances other than the lower the Genetic Distane the closer the time when two people migh have a common ancestor.

The T2b5a project has just begun. I have no idea at this point what we’ll discover. The more people who join the project the easier it will be to learn.

So, join the project now but keep trying to push your maternal lineage back as far as you can. I will do what I can to help. But, I need to know you have done your ancestry as accurately as you could.

I find it helpful to use other people’s lineages (DNA- y, mt, or autosomal with any testing company) aids in helping you know the person is actually related to you. I also use trees from all the database companies, books, genealogies, county and federal records Family Search and other websites and books and microfilm.

Once you find information try to check it for accuracy. Look at birth dates and places. If something does not seem right, it likely may not be right.